3D-Tile-Design - Bertram Tasch
Maple Ridge, BC (Greater Vancouver)
http://www.3D-Tile-Design.ca. Take a look here for example: https://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-2622.html. Hope that was ok. Then thinset your tile to the backer. Now the 2 projects are 'equal' in time and money. I have read about the evils of thinset over OSB but I also find just about the same amount of data that says its ok. Ive done a little tiling before but Im just a tad nervous. Primer used over the ruffed up tile ($). No cracks or anything--it had held up fine--but we laid Ditra before we tiled. minimum subfloor thickness – 19/32", 5/8" nom. I don't believe and governing or guiding agency allows or recommends it. Ditra over OSB has been a popular topic for discussion. Hello gladyss532,
The answer would be YES, if you would live in Germany but is unfortunately NO when you live in North America! Another friend of mine here in the Northern VA area has multiple crews putting lots of tile and Ditra over OSB in new construction jobs. I can’t rip up the OSB subfloor. I would also use Flex bond when install the tiles. It WILL NOT work with either of those, due to the fact that they expand way too much when they get wet, which would cause the tile to pop, and it wouldn't take to long to happen, either. The osb will help stabilize and level the subfloor, as this is extremely important for hard tile to avoid shifting and cracking. That's where a membrane like Ditra comes in. Now the "regular" labour costs + materials begins. Your idea to install underlayment over the OSB may work for a while, but once the floor is put into use and begins to flex, the tiles or grout joints are likely to show signs of cracking. I wish I could replace the OSB but it’s not practical. Step 1 Measure the dimensions of the room to calculate how much material you'll need to purchase. Her are some pictures from a bathroom renovation which I did long ago in Germany. The one place it is possible = over cement slab. For that nice big fat chunk of change that a pro hardwood installer charges? If so, any hints or tips? Cement leveling compound to layer over top the old tile = $ + $ labour. Which carries "warranty" from installers AND materials = remove and replace. So you’re saying do a layer of thin plywood screwed to the OSB, then put the cement board over that? Worse case do what I did on my last house flip. My decision is clear...but then again I don't own a tile floor. Everything I've read about cement board (including manufacturer instructions) says to use thinset over wood subfloor, then place cement board, then screw down. There is no bond coat-- not Redgard, Not Ultraset, Not 9235-- nothing-- that will help. Therefore, according to the 2012 TCNA Handbook, they are not recommended as a substrate material for direct bonding of ceramic or natural stone tile with cement mortars. 9 Ways Grout–Yes, Grout–Can Add to Your Design, 8 Ways Vermeer’s Work Can Make Its Mark in Your Home, A Fine Mess: How to Have a Clean-Enough Home Over Summer Break, How Portability Can Make You Happier at Home, The Cure for Houzz Envy: Kitchen Touches Anyone Can Do, We Can Work It Out: Living (and Cleaning) Together, Guest Picks: 19 Kitchen Upgrades for When You Can't Afford an Overhaul. Ist die Lagerung unter dem Dach nicht möglich, soll man für die Platten einen ebenen Untergrund, z.B. The subfloor, which is typically a layer of plywood or oriented strand board (OSB). If the subfloor is attached diagonally, then you really need at least 5/8" plywood or OSB on top. Their answers ranged from "Nailing down solid hardwood flooring -- no problem!" to "That's (nail down) fraught with peril -- the OSB won't hold nails/staples". Direct Gluing Vinyl Sheet and Tile to OSB SubfloorsInstalling a glue down vinyl floor (sheet or tile) directly over Oriented Strand Board (OSB) Subflooring has become a hot topic for me of lately. I really do want to have the work done and not void any warranty, but I have asked several suppliers about installing their products over OSB. Which has greater chance of success: remove and replace. We have 5/8" tongue-and-groove fir plywood then 7/16" OSB glued and screwed to the plywood. Sooner or later you would definitely run into problems. Can’t I seal the OSB before putting thunder over it? WeÂve removed our old ceramic tile floors in the 2 upstairs bathrooms and are thinking of having 13" porcelain tiles with 1/8" grout lines installed for the new floors. Do you have to use cementboard? Now the issue we've run into is that if we lay Ditra, it will raise the bathroom floor above that of the hallway (which we'll do and use a transition strip if there are no other alternatives--adding a layer of plywood would raise it also). Do not put thin set over OSB. Which is "cheaper" = it is a tie...they will cost roughly the same. joist spacing. Zu beachten ist dabei, dass sich die Platten ca. Man, you can just put down ditra over osb and tile over it?! I purchased VersaBond thinset which says not to use over OSB... but literally every bag of every thinset that was in Home Depot said to not install over OSB. # 8 joist spacing Limitations minimum 2" x 2" (50 mm x 50 mm) tile for natural stone, see detail D-W-S (page 6) and natural stone discussion (page 24) Requirements maximum spacing of joists, I-joists, or floor trusses is 16" (406 mm) o.c. OSB stands for oriented strand board. This Bathroom is still in the same condition like it was after re tiling. Once the cement cures (could be a few days depending on how thick this is) the "real" work of installing the new tile. You need 1-1/4” substrate to support the tile. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. ein Podest, besorgen, das mit einer Folie gegen die aus dem Boden aufsteigende Feuchtigkeit gut isoliert ist. To prepare the old tiles for new product = $1-2/sf PLUS cost of materials (concrete needs to be poured and allowed to set). Here is what you need to know: to get a second layer on this floor = sanding down the surface of the old tile = $ + dusty. Fox it 100% now while its open. Thanks so much Bill and Mongo for your quick and informative replies. Should I seal the OSB with something first? You should rough up the surface of the existing tile with sandpaper to aid adhesion, and it's a good idea to spread two coats of thinset. So, are there alternatives to Ditra that won't the raise the floor height as much? Blech. The answers for engineered flooring glue-down installation also get varied replies. We'll definitely go with the Ditra. When tiling to OSB, the thinset has to try to bond with wood strands or wood chips, and the resin or binder that holds the chips together. Die Palette ist mit einer Folie, Plane bzw. Here in North America I have not seen one single floor and also no wall which could be over tiled! But, you cannot bond tile to osb because the resins used to make osb will not allow the thinset to remain bonded for very long. Didn't he? These tiles need to be ruffed up. Ohhhh this is getting interesting. Including if the osb needs pre moistened. It's too thin to offer any shear resistance between adjacent materials. It'll act as an intermediary between the tile and the OSB. Installing Over Wood . And 8 days is NOT ENOUGH for 5" solid 3/4" hardwood. Mongo, we aren't selling...it was more a rhetorical 'next house'. If that's usable, how much does it raise the floor? 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So können sie eine Palette mit Platten sichern: Bevor die Platten eingebaut werden, sollen sie sich mindestens 24 Stunden unter den Einsatzbedingungen akklimatisiere… The floor company tried to install OSB sub and were going to put tile over it. Tile over osb subfloor floor. Mary. My friend and JB Forum buddy Terry O'Neill has put a lot of Ditra over OSB with no problems. Once the RedGard®is dry, tile can be safely installed to the RedGard®-coated OSB with one of CuSTOM®’s polymer-modified thin-set or medium bed mortars. All the walls are sitting on it. Thanks so much for your expertise--it's very much appreciated. I strongly suggest looking into Advantech for a subfloor for anything that will have tile over it. You can use 1/4 hardibacker if that helps as well. Could be particle board (and should NEVER be). To install ceramic tile over wood, the wood surface must be structurally sound enough to support the weight of the tile. I wanted to be sure before I spent money on the project. Kerdi, while waterproof, is not an isolation membrane. Chipboard, cushioned vinyl flooring, particle boards of any type, oriented strand board (OSB), interior-grade plywood, tongue and groove planking, and hardwood floors are unsuitable substrates for direct installation of ceramic tile. OSB: Floor Covering vs. Subfloor Floor covering (or finish floor) is the term for the topmost, eventual floor- … If you are new here, please review posting/commenting guidelines. Wrong. You should use thinset to bond Ditra fleece to the OSB and tile ontop of Ditra. I would then put a 12" x 12" landscaping stone (forget what they call them) over it for a day. OSB has the appearance of giant cornflakes pressed together to form structural panels in sizes similar to plywood, such as 4' x 8' x 5/8". You guys are so wonderful!! You should not use thinset over OSB. Some tiles will stick OK without problem. Adjacent materials to make sure he warned the Chiro did n't he might not cast... 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