Omer Khan [28:06] I never considered it. And that can be really tough, like if your customers are all totally siloed. You're not thinking about anything else, except exactly in the moment. So you're in just for people who don't know you're in Rio. Great. It's been a pleasure and have fun the rest of the day in Rio. So he started doing more freelance work and putting more time into his store mapper side project, which by now is doing around $1,000 in monthly recurring revenue. But maybe you don't want to build a huge business. Yeah. The definition of a Micro-saas according to Tyler Tringas is: It is … It created a little bit, I think I gave myself a good amount of slack in two ways. The industry is maturing each year, as more and more businesses are moving from on-premises software to Software-as-a-service (SaaS) solutions. So my version of that was, well, first, just getting listed in the the App Store at the time, you know, we just sort of found a gap there. All right, the travails of the tropical life. Tyler Tringas [15:06] I don't know if this is the best, just broad base. Omer Khan [0:38] And so we're looking for stuff that is generally in that, you know, circle of competence. Yeah, yeah. But if you have a leaky bucket, then all of a sudden, you know, you have the sort of treadmill was turned up higher, and you have to keep pace, just to kind of stay in one place. So we we make an early stage investment, usually at the very initial stages of building the business, but you've sort of launched a product and gotten it out there. No, no, I mean, I was a hacker sort of frantically trying to keep my head above water, essentially, I mean, I learned to code because I'll say maybe two years prior to launching Storemapper, I had an idea for a a software business, my background was, in the clean tech industry, I have a degree in economics, I didn't grow up making websites on Angel fire or anything like that, you know, I was never really into to tech per se, other than as a sort of means to an end. Then to understand and implement an idea becomes easier. Omer Khan [50:26] And I find it sort of wonderfully meditative. Tyler Tringas [11:12] But you had to get to I'm guessing, like a few thousand customers to get to 40K MRR. I mean, this was I think, maybe less than 18 months after the Lean Startup had been published. And then I started just basically sort of trolling the forum. And by the way, if you want this, you know, it's going to cost you quite a bit more. But you weren't a developer? I mean, I didn't really have a track record as a, you know, in venture capital, or any kind of financing. And it's great to you know, hear your story about Storemapper and some of the ups and downs of that journey. So if they arrive on a screen, and even two people tell you what should I do with this screen, you know, I would go in and generate a one minute, you know, type, the edited screencast, saying, here's what you do with the screen, you know, and, and it would pop up. So I continue to sort of split my time between freelance work and growing that business to basically just try to sort of dig myself out of a financial hole, really. That's awesome. To help get you started we’ve come up with a list of “online” and “offline” based business ideas that are easy to start, in demand, and can be profitable. For a lot of businesses or a lot of business ideas, we are not unicorn hunting, you don't have to, you know, have a roadmap for building it into a billion dollar business. Tyler Tringas [19:23] But you know, and that actually works, you know, people really were willing to cut me a huge amount of slack, because they like backing sort of in the small teams and developers doing cool stuff with their lives, I guess. So we got the coding under our belt, you've got the products, you've got over 100 customers, you've been focusing on retention. Among other SaaS ideas to find, there’s an interesting sphere focused on internal management. Omer Khan [33:20] Getting his startup to take-off was slow going, so he started doing some freelance work. Before we get started, a couple of things I want to tell you about. But I think it's better to have a wider perspective. 20 Saas Startups Ideas To Build A Profitable Product In 2020, Top 20 Saas Startups, That Change The World In 2020, How To Research Hot Selling Product In, Follow Me To See How You Can Make Over 150k Weekly On This Product in 2020,, World’s First Gold Plated Hotel Opens In Vietnam. And should it be minimum delightful product or something like that, but at the time, you know, this was the sort of conventional wisdom was, you know, build the absolute bare minimum product that sort of, I say, like, does what it says on the on the label, right? Tyler Tringas [35:58] First of all, was, it was very cheap, I think it was at that point, the average revenues was about $7. Thanks for listening. And the whole point is that, you know, you're not spending your hours doing something non scalable. Several of his clients wanted a way to add store locator functionality to their websites. Yeah, it's hot and sweaty in here and there's a tropical bird out of my window. So how did you come up with the idea for that business. Got it? From there. And so you know, the how active the community is, is the critical variable for choosing a platform to me. And so I mostly focused on, you know, optimizing the inbound funnel to sort of ridiculous degree, all of our metrics, there were really tremendous, but I never really found, and this is something that, you know, sort of later factored into my decision to sell the businesses that I never really found a gas pedal for growth, you know, there just seemed to be a sort of fixed quantity of merchants who sort of either searching Google and we'd be, you know, their first result, or they would search in the app store of Shopify, or big commerce or any of those, and we'd be first result are definitely there. Yeah, Storemapper is a product that is essentially store locators as a service. So maybe you should open a store in Berlin. SOC 2 – Trust (SOC … Basically, anytime that someone would have a problem, instead of sort of bashing out like, you know, check the FAQ, right, or, like, here's the link to the FAQ article, I would first just do it for them, and then also share the FAQ article so that if they ever came to something similar, you know, they would sort of have that for reference, but just solving the problem for them. Yeah. Tyler Tringas is a General Partner at Earnest Capital which provides early-stage funding for bootstrappers. And also, I'm on CC, so just reply back, if you have any questions whatsoever, you know, and just really kind of ridiculously over providing sort of resources for folks to make sure that they just never get hung up on on any sort of part of onboarding process. Alright, so I'm curious how much time you're spending on Storemapper at this point, you said you kind of went all in. So what was it that you saw there that motivated you to spend more time on it? You know, you just opened up a can of worms, and I think we could have a conversation just about this topic for this episode. But it did the basic job a year later Solarlist still wasn't getting any traction and had to be shut down. And you would track all of these things, I would say, okay, you know, if they haven't added any locations, within 48 hours, trigger an email, and CC me, you know, to say, hey, so you haven't had anything, here's a video, here's an article. And so I use the term bootstrap, even though, you know, there's been a lot of confusion over it, which, you know, I expected bootstrap to me has come to me like, even though this is very narrow definition of bootstrap, which means, you know, building the business without any outside capital, it's also sort of come to me as sort of cultural set of priorities and goals and values, right, that include things like, to me, I think, you valuing sustainability of the business over growth at all costs, right? So when you decided that you wanted to learn to code? And then kind of generally expanding out from there, maybe on a couple of different metrics, but not too wildly different. And, and it was more about sort of the onboarding experience? So what gets you out of bed and or inspires you like you have a maybe a quote you can share with us? It's death by 1000 cuts. It's sort of enough money to put really any next sort of venture on the table as a reasonable thing to do, but not enough to stop working forever. Omer Khan [55:51] So I sort of established like that there was a pretty strong willingness to pay for this solution, and that I could turn it into a SaaS and sat down on a single flight from San Francisco to Buenos Aires, Argentina, and bashed out a minimum viable product and landed and send it to my, my every kind of eCommerce client I ever had and said, Hey, here's this, this drop in version of a store locator, would you like to sign up for it? Firstly, I've created a great resource for you called the SaaS tool kit, which will tell you about the 21 essential tools that every SaaS business needs, you can get a free copy of the toolkit by going to And eventually he got it to over $40,000 monthly recurring revenue several years later, but he built it as a sustainable and profitable micro SaaS company. So you mentioned your inbound funnel, and, you know, optimizing that. I mean, it you know, you can do it once or twice, and you basically get a customer for life. Tyler Tringas [25:48] And it just turned out that within a coincidental two week period, I think three of my clients all asked for a store locator to be built and they wanted it, you know, made from scratch, I thought, well, there must be some roof dropping version of this, it's incredibly common UI pattern on the internet. And there's no way to find any, any group of them hanging out anywhere. How can I make sure this never happens again, for every other future customer. And if building that type of business appeals to you, then you'll love this episode. I don't know if that's a specific attribute. We analyze our database of over 100,000 startups We pay for access to the best data on public, venture-backed, and private companies available, as well as utilize Tyler Tringas [24:17] Okay. Did you ever buy the what's it called the Ruby on Rails tutorial? And that was a sort of traditional, like venture scale type of business. totally reasonable, unnecessary, were you allocating your full time attention to it. I mean, were there new things you were doing? Hottest SaaS trends to follow in 2020 Now, let’s look at the SaaS development trends attracting the most attention. If that all sounds great to you, you know, then that's the kind of first filter from there, we're generally looking for the stage of the business is usually after the product is sort of launched MVP is a fine, but it should be kind of doing what it says on the label, and it should have a bit of revenue, we don't really want to take the risk of will anybody pay for this, because I think that is a big hurdle. You can get to the show notes as usual by going to, where you'll find summary of the episode and a link to all the resources we discussed. So how did you get the word out? What's your favorite personal productivity tool or habit? I mean, I like email. And if you're in a good mood, consider leaving a rating and review to show your support for the show. And I had a tiny sliver of time left over to try to keep storm after sort of stable and growing. And this is the show where I interview proven founders and industry experts who share their stories, strategies and insights to help you build, launch and grow your SaaS business. Ultimately, I, I just couldn't grow up with Ruby, and I ended up picking Python instead. That mean, there was no kind of, you know, trying to run ads or cold emailing people or anything like that. So it was tough to kind of get more eyeballs until we kind of realized or I was just sitting there thinking, looking at the analytics side of things and saying, well, the total views on all of the store locators on our customers websites is like a million a month, maybe I should add a little powered by storm have heard link on all of those. And was there a particular reason for that? I was living in New York, I was burning through a ton of cash, trying to just build this other startup, we had raised a bit of money spent that money and just sort of completely failed to raise, you know, what we realized we needed to raise several million dollars to actually build the business that we wanted to build, and just basically decided we couldn't do it, I had to shut down the company, I had about $50,000 in credit card debt. Words, sort of extrapolated some of those into lessons for kind of coding and building companies. And then it layered in a bunch of really interesting sort of analytics, because that turns out to be quite an interesting and valuable search. Omer Khan [0:14] Cool. Thanks for listening. So I had two other things taking up the bulk of my time. Omer Khan [22:55] Omer Khan [5:29] Okay, let's get on with the interview. Tyler Tringas [6:18] And so that was a change in trajectory at that point. And that was it. If you want to make an impact in the Software as a Service (SaaS) industry, you should work towards acquiring all the needed certifications in your area of specialization. I never had a free plan. So scheduling meetings is pretty much a nightmare. It's been a pleasure. So you know, there's this pretty growing market segment of eCommerce merchants, the sort of prototypical example is some business who they launch on Kickstarter, they go online first. So on a 30-hour flight from San Francisco to Buenos Aires, Tyler built a store locator SaaS app as a side-project. So cool. You mentioned at the start of this interview, that it's really, you know, a fund for bootstrap, SaaS companies. So what did that look like? What's interesting or fun fact about you that most people don't know. So it's definitely still probably under 40 hours, you know, probably working the 60 hours a week, it's splitting that between client work and, and Storemapper I didn't really, you know, I think this is one of the things that that people underestimate about recurring revenue businesses that you can find ones that, that have really strong retention and really low churn is that you really don't need to split your time that aggressively between like growth, marketing and product, if you find something that a very high percentage of people who sign up decide that you know, that they want your product. Like? Firstly, what is a Micro-saas? Omer Khan [2:54] And then at a certain point, they get access to a distributor who says, You know, I can put your product in 50 stores around the New England area, when you sign up for that, and all the sudden, you know, you need a way to tell your customers where they can buy your product in the real world. If you do that every day, when you're writing a novel, you will never be stuck. And so I was in that classic sort of space of, Okay, I'm the business guy, I know this market super well. A year later, SolarList still wasn't getting traction and had to be shut down. Tyler Tringas [8:42] So we have around 30, incredibly experienced founders and operators that are both sort of invested in your long term success as a part of earnest and there to help you along the way. But in this case, my customers were Shopify merchants, and they were all on the Shopify forums trying to, you know, figure out solutions to various problems. It helped him to pay down his credit card debt, travel the world and spend more time on projects he found interesting. And in this case, it was Shopify, but I think it's a pretty well worn tactic for a lot of folks who want to, you know, bootstrap a SaaS business or build a Micro-SaaS is to find a platform that is growing really quickly. Yeah. Nice. Omer Khan [6:10] And there really just wasn't a good go to solution for this. Alright, so we should wrap up now. Tyler Tringas [3:39] Right now you're a general partner at Earnest Capital. Tyler Tringas [12:16] Great. I am not a huge fan of the name, but I can live with it since it is how most people refer to the concept. 100Disclaimer: Every Nairaland member is solely responsible for anything that he/she posts or uploads on Nairaland. How To Find The Profitable SaaS Product Idea Think of it this way when you’re looking to start a SaaS company or maybe when developing new features for your SaaS product. And yes, this model is profitable. Or, you know, was it kind of more sophisticated than, than that? No, no, it was really bad. And I would love to build a sort of slow personal CRM that was really focused on maintaining relationships in that kind of way. A novel, you know, a company that is the best way for them to do that ups downs! 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